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Hunt saboteurs disrupt two Yorkshire grouse shoots

Yesterday, members of the Hunt Saboteurs disrupted two grouse shoots in Yorkshire, one on the edge of the Yorkshire Dales National Park and one inside the North York Moors National Park.

[Images from the Hunt Saboteurs facebook page]

Here is the write-up from the Hunt Saboteurs’ Facebook page:

North Cambs Hunt Sabs joined around 70 activists from around the country today to put a stop to grouse shooting in two moorland national parks.

First port of call was a large shoot spotted at Kexwith Moor, near Richmond. Sabs poured out of vehicles and crossed the heather covered moorland to the despair of the huge line of flag-waving beaters employed for today’s shoot.

When the sheer number of hunt sabs approaching over the hillside became apparent, the shoot rapidly packed up and retreated to the safety of the pub. Sab spotters keeping an eye on them confirmed that shooters didn’t attempt to go back out again that day.

Next on the list was a shoot spotted by another sab group at Bransdale Moor, north of Helmsley.

Sabs arrived in the area where a shoot was setting up nearby. Our long range lenses then confirmed reports that the shooting party had got wind of us, and were packing everyone away for the day.

As the paying customers had been safely sent away, the shoots beating team tried to impede our vehicle. We were locked behind gates, blocked by off road vehicles, had logs laid across paths to block our route, had gates nailed shut in our path and had two tractor trailers parked in front of byway gates.

With a little teamwork, a sturdy sab vehicle, a strong tow rope and (in the end) the North Yorks Police, we were safely on our way.

A long day out for North Cambs sabs, who were joined in our 4×4 today by friends from Beds & Bucks Hunt Sabs and Northants Hunt Saboteurs.

ENDS

An article on yesterday’s events in the Yorkshire Dales has appeared online this morning on Richmondshire Today, and takes a different perspective on what is alleged to have happened:

Hunt saboteurs wearing balaclavas tried to disrupt a grouse shoot in the Dales on Saturday.

Approximately 60 to 70 saboteurs took part in the action in Swaledale.

Police were called after the protesters gathered in the centre of Reeth and followed the shooting party onto the moors.

Dalesport, which runs shoots, said the saboteurs tried to stone shoot vehicles and intimidate shoot staff.

A spokesman said: “It was a shocking encounter in this tranquil area of the national park.

“Half the sabs were dressed in black with balaclavas in an attempt to prevent their identity.

“The police arrived to disperse them but not before further threats were made to the shoot staff.”

The West Yorkshire Hunt Saboteurs, who joined activists from all over the country, said the sabotage was a great success.

A member of the group said: “Activists from the Hunt Saboteurs Association set out to disrupt the shoot and prevent animals from being killed and that’s exactly what we did.

“The shoot was forced to pack up and leave the moors early today and the lives of countless birds were saved.”

A villager from Reeth said: “It was quite scary as the protesters had balaclavas on and there were so many police cars and vans.

“It’s a shame as there was a family fun day for guide dogs on and that was spoilt.”

However, a spokesman for the fun day said the saboteurs had spent a lot of money with them and the event had been a big success.

A visitor from Richmond, who was walking her dogs in the area, said: “When the protesters and police arrived it was very unnerving especially for families as nobody knew what was going on at first.

“I didn’t see any trouble or raised voices but I can understand people feeling a bit worried because of the way they looked.”

The Hunt Saboteurs Association advised on its Facebook page that 70 saboteurs had ‘just packed up a grouse shoot on the Yorkshire Dales’ and shared photos and a post from the Nottingham Hunt Saboteurs.

On their post, Nottingham Hunt Saboteurs said: “Lots of very unhappy shooters and lots of grouse who live to see another day.”

ENDS


77 Responses to “Hunt saboteurs disrupt two Yorkshire grouse shoots”


  1. 1 Roberta Mouse
    August 19, 2018 at 10:23 am

    ”Dalesport, which runs shoots, said the saboteurs tried to stone shoot vehicles and intimidate shoot staff.”

    Oh there there, diddums. Now they have perhaps an inkling of how all the suffering they cause is NOT supported by the majority of the public. Well done those sabs and I hope this happens more and more. The nice way has been tried…now it is time for more direct action !!!

    • 2 Chris Dobson
      August 19, 2018 at 2:25 pm

      Funnily enough, they don’t seem to have any evidence to backup their claims. The Sabs have been non-violent for a long time as a defence against perceived Police bias. That’s the reason I don’t sab. I’d be inside for GBH by now

  2. 3 Brian Leecy
    August 19, 2018 at 10:35 am

    BRILLIANT !! The only glimmer of hope now since every other option as Failed Miserably ! Well done to everyone involved.

  3. 4 Dougoutcanoe
    August 19, 2018 at 11:00 am

    It is great to see these courageous people working so well. “stone shoot vehicles??” but no mention of the pathetic retaliation the shoot organisers did, blocking public highways and byways and probably much worse. Criminals will be criminals!

    Doug

  4. August 19, 2018 at 11:19 am

    I would not be prepared, even though I’m still fit enough to participate, to join in with the hunt saboteurs method of trying to end driven grouse shooting. Whilst many of the legal protestors against drive grouse shooting were gathered at the bird fair, it cannot be denied that our efforts have not achieved as much as the hunt saboteurs did in a single day. I live in Scotland, where our cabinet sectrteary for the environment would be most unlikely to boast of the destruction of the environment asthe u.k. Under Secretary of State at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs did this week. We also have a more accesible way of changing the law. I prefer that approach, and my petition to the Scottish Parliament may achieve that.
    Rather that joining the hunt saboteurs could I ask anyone in Scotland, the u.k. or abroad who agrees with me to sign at
    http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01705

    • 6 Les Wallace
      August 19, 2018 at 11:57 am

      You can of course do both, the Hunt Sabs do not appear to have broken any laws, but public access was blocked to discourage them until police intervened. Press coverage of Hunt Sabs has usually been hostile and even people like me who’ve always detested fox hunting often had a mistrust and distate of sabs, which only ended for me when an access to youtube etc let me see that the real thugs were hunt supporters who didn’t wear balaclavas to hide their identities from perpetrators of violence, but to carry it out. Hunt sabs were the victims of fake news and misreporting for decades before the internet came along, and I am now slightly ashamed that I ever harbored negative thoughts about them after all they’ve done and been put through. I suggest you spend a bit of time looking at video footage they’ve taken – the thuggery and criminality has been overwhelmingly on the part of the hunts and their lackeys, terrier men have to be the lowest of the low. It’s a great petition Alex and if you contact the sabs it will probably bring in a good few signatures. That’s what I’m doing with the one on grouse moor (non) economics https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226109

      • 7 lizzybusy
        August 19, 2018 at 2:40 pm

        I totally agree with you Les.

        Alex, I’ve signed your petition because I believe in all peaceful ways of trying to change the status quo and I fully support your campaign so I, personally, am disappointed to read your comments.

        Don’t believe the disgusting lies spread by shooters about sabs. You know these vile people never accept the facts as so often is exposed on this brilliant website. You know they manipulate the facts on nature ‘conservation’ on almost every aspect of their disgusting activities. You know raptors and predators, hares and rabbits are not the vermin they are portrayed as by shooters. Perhaps you could check whether they’re lying about the stoning allegations. I have every confidence the claims are false – like the rest of the garbage they routinely spew.

        Of course some sabs hide their faces. Unmasked hunt monitors who video the activities of these people get their necks broken with cautions given to the perpetrators as ‘punishments’ for their crimes!

        I, for one, am seriously considering joining the sabs. In fact I think I’ll check out their website now to see how, together, we can all try to get to a kinder place.

        Good luck with your campaign. It’s a great petition.

      • 9 Anti Hunt
        August 21, 2018 at 9:09 am

        I’m sure the hunt sabs will support this petition like you are supporting the sabs. Since when has walking on open land been a crime. But hey you beleive the shooters press release.

    • 10 Pip
      August 19, 2018 at 6:54 pm

      Yes and if it was left up to you and another useless petition we’d still be arguing the toss in another 20 years. This demonstration (like its predecessor on Kinder Scout albeit for a different reason) will have done more by direct action than any amount of paper shuffling and hand wringing – bloody good job and about time. Pip

  5. 11 lizzybusy
    August 19, 2018 at 11:20 am

    Walking on moors doesn’t seem like an act of violence to me. Killing everything and anything in the most obscene and wide range of ways possible does. Well done hunt sabs. Keep up the pressure!

  6. 12 Dougie
    August 19, 2018 at 11:29 am

    I do not think that such action is at all wise. I doubt if the majority of the public care very much about raptor persecution. It is just not within their sphere of interests.
    I do think that the majority of the public have very little time for any variety protesters or sabateurs etc. and simply see such people as a rabble.
    Therefore, disruptive action is not likely to increase support for action against wildlife, but may well cause some of the public who are “neutral” into being “anti” towards any organisation that employs such tactics.
    There are people (some well known to the public at large) who frequently voice their opposition to wildlife crime and campaign against the perpetrators.
    Their opinions are intelligent, calm and considered. Therein lies their strength.
    When supporters of any organisation behave badly then the entire organisation is at risk of being tarred with the same brush.

    • 13 Roberta Mouse
      August 19, 2018 at 12:02 pm

      The point is that being ‘calm and considered’, signing petitions, one of which got to the debating stage in parliament but was thrown out, has achieved nothing atall. Direct action is the only way now….no-one wants to have to go down this road, but all the while nothing changes, thousands more animals and birds will suffer and die. I would suggest that the majority do care about that, as the aforementioned petition clearly indicated. Sabs organise themselves for the purpose of disrupting cruel behaviours and are gaining in strength all the while….your suggestion that these caring and dedicated people are rabble is rather unkind I think ! Look what they are up against.

    • 14 Les Wallace
      August 19, 2018 at 12:15 pm

      But what if hunt sabbing becomes a way of getting the message to the public? The Beds and Bucks Hunt Sabs have shown that they were the victims of illegal activity – the blocking of public access, and they stressed the lack of wildlife on the grouse moors. The public interest has been pushed aside repeatedly, and some of the estates are clearly labelling any non grouse shooter/supporter on ‘their’ moors as a nuisance that’s causing fires and scaring away the birds of prey. The Hunt Sabs are standing up to this, in I believe a very similar way to the Kinder Scout Trespass. If the public does have any negative feelings towards hunt sabs (and some will) that’s due to years and years of misreporting an outright lies in the same way they’ve been trying to smear raptor workers. Should we give in to that or fight it? I have no reason to believe that their actions were peaceful and if they broke any laws I can’t see any evidence of it, the police were there but spoke to a farmer whose trailer was blocking a gate. How many times on this page have we discussed making our presence known on DGS days peacefully and lawfully – in my case by flying a really big hen harrier kite? No the only problem with hunt sabs is allowing their detractors to influence us.

    • 17 nimby
      August 19, 2018 at 6:33 pm

      Everyone is entitled to an opinion and reputedly we live in a democracy, so as long as people act within the law then hats off to the Hunt Sabs who walked the moors, that they disrupted grouse slaughter is fantastic. As Les Wallace says watch the videos posted on U-Tube, they paint a very different picture to the ‘fake news’ reported by MSM via the shooters spin bowlers.

      Whilst I don’t altogether agree with Alex Milne about peaceful protest failing because the issue is now being reported and previously most folk were distant from the issue. OK, it’s slower than we might like but it is making a difference. Social media has been great for showing the impact of muirburn, hare slaughter, indiscriminate nature of various traps etc. etc.

      The momentum is building, collaborative community campaigning is beginning to bring changes. We all of us have a role to play, so let’s continue to play it ….

      • 18 Barney
        August 19, 2018 at 10:25 pm

        We don’t live in a democracy, if we did many of these court cases against game keepers would result in jail terms for these criminals

        • 19 nimby
          August 19, 2018 at 10:34 pm

          Note my use of the word ‘reputedly’ with regards to democracy. Vicarious liability would be a start, not an answer but a small step along the treacherous uphill struggle. Focus and tenacity and increased public awareness through the use of all tools in our ‘war-chest’ should be deployed.

          As for the keepers, they are employed by wealthy estates, so should it not be landowners who are held accountable for activities on their estates? Directors are accountable for company safety etc.

      • 20 Michael Gray
        August 19, 2018 at 10:46 pm

        Great ,no one else is protecting the wildlife on our moors & uplands especially the Raptors ,who are facing an onslaught from game keepers ,land `owners` ,with their cruel poisoning ,trapping methods which affect other animals including dogs out walking with their owners .It`s time we all respected ,protected our wild life & environment from such out dated practices for the `fun` of the ignorant few .

    • August 20, 2018 at 12:17 pm

      Hunt Sabs have been sabotaging fox hunts, hare coursing, stag hounds etc for decades – and doing a damned fine job. The vast majority of people, both townies and countryfolk, are opposed to hunting and that led to the, always flouted, rarely enforced, law banning hunting with hounds. Most people are in favour of the law being strengthened. That is purely in the back of their unceasing anti-hunting activities and bringing the horror of it into the public domain. There is no reason to surmise that their activities on the grouse moors will be any less effective over time. Where is your evidence that it will have the opposite effect? Or are you just one of those people who just want to whinge about the status quo but are not prepared to do anything about it or support those who are?

    • 22 SOG
      August 20, 2018 at 10:12 pm

      Dougie – On the League Against Cruel Sports website there’s a link to an opinion poll about game bird shooting. It says 69% of those asked objected. So the shooters don’t have a majority of public support.

  7. 23 Les Wallace
    August 19, 2018 at 11:35 am

    There’s a cracking post on the Beds and Bucks Hunt Sab FB page about this with a lovely set of pictures from the day. At the end it mentions the total lack of wildlife on the grouse moors. DGS must be very susceptible to this kind of action compared to fox hunting, won’t be much fun setting out for your day’s ‘sport’ wondering if sabs will turn up and your massive wodge of dosh will be wasted. It’s probably had a lot to do with it being a ‘poor’ grouse shooting season, but all of a sudden there are regular references to DGS being a poor option for rural communities and the need for diversification – I haven’t seen that before and this is a really interesting and positive development. Amanda Anderson, Tim Baines etc will have a hard time convincing anybody that DGS is great for local businesses when so many have lost a lot of money because grouse didn’t quite reach the horrendously bloated population size of previous years, isn’t that a pathetic situation for rural businesses? Well done sabs!

  8. 24 Dougoutcanoe
    August 19, 2018 at 11:36 am

    Alex, I’ve signed and commented on your petition.

    Doug

  9. August 19, 2018 at 12:01 pm

    Mass trespass on Kinder Scout, defying the DGS, did lead to the access we have now.
    It works.

    Keep up the pressure !

  10. 27 Brian Leecy
    August 19, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    That’s Absolutely right,We owe so much to those People back in the Day doing the Mass Trespass on Kinder Scout,they truly paved the way and opened up Our Uplands,without them we would still not even be allowed to set foot on the Uplands ! I’ve signed every petition going ,attended the Parliament Debacle,marched through London.and as anything changed at all ! it’s virtually impossible to get any convictions on grouse moors even with video footage of Wildlife Crimes taking place,I’ve personally watched my local patch being Trashed by mismanagement,Burning,Draining off on sites that allegedly are supposed to be the most protected in Europe,Well done to the Hunt Sabs .

    • 28 nimby
      August 19, 2018 at 6:43 pm

      I sympathise Brian, and I understand as well as feel much frustration but there are occasional victories which energise us and have brought Hunt Sabs and others into the debacle for the grouse slaughterers indiscriminate cruelty etc. etc.

      We should capitalise on the shooters failure to have a Plan B for bad weather impact, they frequently berate conservation as wanting to abandon the rural economy so what have they done to help the businesses dependent on grouse slaughter? Or will they just keep spin bowling and blaming anyone or anything else for the state of the weather etc.? What business these days would have a single focus, diversification has been heralded by defra and Ministers so time that the Victorian pastime, slaughter in today’s parlance was consigned to the history books and not written by spin bowlers through rose tinted glasses.

      Thank you Hunt Sabs.

  11. 29 Scott Laugher
    August 19, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    Huge respect to the sabs!!
    Awesome job!!
    I can’t praise you and the members of the public enough.
    You have massive support on your actions in this case!!
    Your action is being applauded by almost every naturalist I know.
    Keep up the great work 👍✊️

  12. 30 Coop
    August 19, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    A hearty well done to all involved. Many of the spineless degenerates who participate in DGS will think twice if there’s a chance that they’ll encounter opposition.

  13. 31 Chris
    August 19, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    I’m sorry, but I cannot find this acceptable. This is bullying mob rule tactics that takes no account of whether the shoots they sab operate within the law, and are a positive asset to the wider environment, and those that are not. And you, at RPUK are very aware that many grouse shoots do come under the first category.
    This tactic can only further alienate the many, like myself, who want an and to raptor persecution without trampling over the rights of people to hunt. Let’s not delude ourselves here, the hard core sab’s primary motivation is to stop any and all hunting.
    And as for non violent, I have seen first hand that the picture some here are trying to paint is as incorrect as the one hunt supporters suggest. As usual, the truth loses out by being somewhere in between.
    Where will it end? Can I expect a van load of Sabs to turn up at my home one day, and “peacefully” stress out my hawks until they die? Some of them would consider the ends justify the means!

    • 32 Bret williams
      August 19, 2018 at 8:49 pm

      I totally agree, I hope they don’t come where I go beating as I wouldn’t be there if the Estate I help was a bad apple estate, I avoid them at all costs. Beating is my only income from August until February so please only target bad apple estates where persecution etc happens. My kids will get nothing for Christmas if I can’t get my two day a week beating!
      I have had many a chance to join the big estates where I could do 50 days a year but I stick to the smaller shoots where there isn’t as much pressure put on the keepers by agents. Please leave me to continue and do my job!

      • 33 Barney
        August 19, 2018 at 10:33 pm

        You don’t deserve any sympathy, get a proper job, grouse shooting is an evil pastime and the whole thing is based on criminal activity. You should be ashamed of yourself for driving innocent birds to their death

        • 34 James Monks
          August 19, 2018 at 10:59 pm

          Well said Barney .. so true.

        • 35 Loki
          August 19, 2018 at 11:05 pm

          Well said, Barney.

        • 36 Bret williams
          August 20, 2018 at 10:03 pm

          Get a proper job! Typical townie! I have a full time job farming but struggle to make ends meet, just shows how people jump to conclusions when they don’t know the truth, isn’t farming a proper job? Also you want to try and live where I do and get other work, we aren’t all concrete jungle monkeys jumping to conclusions, maybe try to get facts or ask questions before slating people in the future, I probably work more hours than you for half your income but I love what I do. Do you eat beef, chicken or pork, if so stop driving poor animals to their death!
          There is nothing wrong with grouse shooting in the correct context not intensive but sustainable.

          • 37 James Monks
            August 21, 2018 at 2:15 am

            Bret Williams .. its YOU who should get YOUR facts right before jumping to conclusions.
            I’m anything BUT a “typical townie” or a “concrete jungle monkey” having spent most of my life living in a small village in the Tyne Valley in rural Northumberland & been involved in environmental & conservation issues for well over 40 years.
            Farming may be a “proper job” but if you’re “struggling to make ends meet” you’re obviously not very good at it, hence my suggestion to look for alternative employment .. it’s not rocket science.
            You ask if I eat beef, chicken or pork .. the answer is NO .. not for over 30 years & then you have the gall to state that if I DID eat meat, I’d be “driving poor animals to their death” .. how ironic when that’s EXACTLY what you do when you take up employment as a beater .. driving Grouse to the guns.
            Stating that there’s “nothing wrong with Grouse Shooting” speaks volumes about your mentality when the vast majority of people in the UK find it totally abhorrent.
            Like I said earlier, are your kids aware that their Xmas presents are the result of “blood money” ?
            You should be totally ashamed of yourself to even admit your association with this truly despicable “sport”.

            • 38 Bret williams
              August 21, 2018 at 7:10 am

              Whatever, no point in talking to you, narrow mindedness isn’t in it!

              • 39 James Monks
                August 21, 2018 at 1:25 pm

                Bret Williams .. a typical response from someone who realises they’ve lost the argument & has nothing further to offer.
                And as for “narrow mindedness” .. your whole life appears to be focused on obtaining employment as a beater in order to make some “blood money” to provide Xmas presents for your kids .. perhaps you should set your ambitions a little higher & GET A LIFE.

            • August 22, 2018 at 12:41 pm

              ‘Farming may be a “proper job” but if you’re “struggling to make ends meet” you’re obviously not very good at it.’
              I am afraid you have just shown that you know nothing about hill farming. It is a complex issue. You could argue that hill farming is unsustainable and the uplands should be rewilded but to blame it on the farmers competence is ignorant.
              Having said that i am dubious the claim that any driven grouse moor can be considered blameless. At the very least they are dependent on the wildlife crime of others.

      • 41 James Monks
        August 19, 2018 at 10:57 pm

        Brett Williams .. aww diddums, so your kids will get “nothing for Xmas” if you can’t go beating two days per week – ever thought of getting off your backside & finding alternative employment ?
        Do you explain to your kids that any presents they receive are the result of blood money ?
        Driven Grouse shooting is a totally abhorrent & disgusting “sport” & anyone associated with it deserves all the abuse that comes their way.

      • 43 Les Wallace
        August 19, 2018 at 11:01 pm

        I think you should sign this petition to get driven grouse shooting properly reviewed to see if it’s actually bringing jobs in or driving them away – can’t be much fun depending on beating for your kids to get Chrissie pressies – sounds Dickensian! A friend of mine grow up in a country area dominated by field ‘sports’ and as both his parents were agricultural labourers the family was perpetually skint – without a bit of poaching animal protein would have been a stranger to their dinner table. The friend is only in his 50s. Looking a bit further ahead is that the future you want your kids to grow into? As driven grouse shooting means extensive areas of land are intensively ‘managed’ for one thing virtually everything else is seriously compromised – certainly NONE of my acquaintances go walking on grouse moors for pleasure – they think they are shite. Do yourself and your community a favour and get as many signatures as possible so we can have the independent economic review we should have had years ago before they received so much public subsidy and almost certainly unwarranted political support in some quarters. What have you got to lose apart from restricted employment options? Sadly none of the pro DGS orgs I’ve approached wanted to promote the petition – which is strange since they are usually so certain DGS is the only thing that can provide employment! https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226109

      • 44 Homer Simpson
        August 20, 2018 at 10:35 am

        I almost sympathise with law abiding estates, however I have a few issues with this.
        a) How can you tell a law abiding estate from another? Certainly not on whether there have been any prosecutions as we have seen here on this blog many times over.
        b) It’s not just the law we need to consider, but the damage they are knowingly doing to the habitats and environments as well as the tax money WE support them with, hidden as farming subsidies.
        c) A law abiding estate will no doubt be benefitting from the actions of criminal estates in the area.
        d) By defending the known criminals and those that facilitate the criminality, shooting as a whole is being seen as complicit. This is a big one, as the criminals know that they can hide behind you.
        e) To my mind, the blame for all of this lies with those NGO’s that have proven themselves to be apologists for the criminals, exerting their influence over NE,DEFRA, Parliament etc. For the avoidance of doubt I mean the CA, MA, NGO and BASC. Their membership need to make them understand that times have changed, the bluster and avoidance tactics are not working (I doubt they ever did).

        Shooting blaming the RSPB, Raptor workers, the Police, BAWC, Chris Packham, this Blog etc is just a further representation of e) above, Whilst it may keep a few of the louder apologists happy it has a bigger effect on this side, part of which is no doubt action such as interrupting shoots.

        If you’re supporting an organisation that delivers a response like this to clear criminality https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2018/08/10/moorland-associations-response-to-peregrine-persecution-on-bleasdale-grouse-moor/ then not only are you a part of the problem, you are the problem.

        • 45 Les Wallace
          August 20, 2018 at 12:32 pm

          As far as identifying law abiding estates goes I think the one really helpful indicator is if the rest of the estates don’t like it. Not very long after both RPUK and Mark Avery posted articles saying what a great and exemplary estate Glen Tanar was one of the Scottish moorland groups posted an article trying to rubbish Glen Tanar as a model for others partly on the basis ‘one size doesn’t fit all’. Considering this was meant as a criticism of an estate that was diversifying by estates that are specializing in one activity (and becoming more intensive) it was incredibly ironic/idiotic. The article was reposted by the Angus Glens Moorland Group and eventually the SGA. Oh my goodness they can’t forgive any estate that’s actually liked by Mark and RPUK can they! This lot are of course their own worst enemies, which is great, but they are doing a lot of damage to others in the process. It’s interesting to note that Thomas McDonnell who has done brave and pioneering work at Glenfeshie- bringing back the capercaillie without predator control is one result – hasn’t exactly been held up by the SGA as one of its heroes.

    • 46 Dougoutcanoe
      August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm

      All the attempts to get the extremely damaging grouse moor management under control probably requires the activity to be stopped. The extent of criminality within the industry is not limited to shooting raptors but includes illegal trapping and the use of poisons that were banned many years ago.

      We also have toxic lead scattered around by the shooter’s for fun. The birds they kill rarely eaten but dumped, buried or burned. Oh, and some used to bait the snares around stink pits.

      Live pigeons were replaced by clays in 1922, surely game bird shooting should go the same way.

      Or perhaps, as I suggested before, game keeper to kill the birds and then catapult over the guns (issued with blanks, no lead to scatter), result, all birds edible, shooters happy with their 100% kill, owner happy with the increased profit. Gamekeeper becomes farmer, raising livestock and doesn’t need to kill all predators because livestock are safe in cages.

      But the shooters know that blanks are being fired? Some may know but the rest are clueless and too drunk to notice.

      Give me the sabs any day, the shooting industry is rife with liars and story makers.

      Doug

      • 47 Reece Fowler
        August 21, 2018 at 11:01 am

        “We also have toxic lead scattered around by the shooter’s for fun. The birds they kill rarely eaten but dumped, buried or burned.”

        Is there any actual evidence of that? I’ve seen photos of incidents involving shot pheasant and partridge, but I’ve never seen it with grouse.

    • 48 Les Wallace
      August 19, 2018 at 11:10 pm

      ‘As usual truth loses out by being somewhere in between’ sounds all nice and reasonable and fluffy, but in actual fact it’s a considerable disservice to hunt sabs and incredibly generous to hunt followers – about 97% of the relevant violence I’ve seen on video has been hunt supporters being utter, vile thugs including 60 year old grandmothers monitoring hunts being pushed and thrown around by men half their age and twice their size. But you know all that already don’t you Chris? Bert Burnett tried to play this card to – ‘it’s badness on both sides’ – no nothing remotely like it.

  14. August 19, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    Well, I was there and a fine day out it was too. Just walking on the moors prevented them from shooting. There was no intimidation or stoning of cars, that was indeed complete nonsense. The only thing that got a lot of attention were the guide dogs in the village with plenty of cuddles.

    Simple fact is we disrupted 2 shoots through non-violent direct action and the shoot staff in conjunction with the farmer attempted to hold us against our will on public access land, which also failed but shows the lengths they will go to.

    There’s a lot of nonsense written about sabs, mostly by those in the hunting/shooting community in an effort to discredit us. We have people from all walks of life, of all ages and backgrounds that are united by a single goal, to protect our wildlife.

    When all other methods have failed you are ultimately left with one course of action – Direct.

    • 50 Roberta Mouse
      August 19, 2018 at 7:55 pm

      Well said and thankyou so much to you all for going out for a walk !!!

    • 51 lizzybusy
      August 20, 2018 at 7:37 am

      Fantastic! Thank you to you and everyone else.

    • 52 Jeff P
      August 20, 2018 at 8:55 am

      Well done sabs! Respect! As others have said, if the supposed stone throwing the tweedy bunch assert happened I’m sure there will be lots of evidence given the number of people with the mobile devices able to capture images and video.
      I’m not holding my breath though because I know how easily lies come to the grousers.

  15. 53 PTH
    August 19, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    Richmond Today has a comments section but what a surprise! it doesn’t work! so we cannot leave a straight forward question if there is any evidence to support Dalesports allegations that stones were thrown by saboteurs at the shooters vehicles. A small paper for closed minds me thinks….

  16. 54 Merlin
    August 19, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    Massive thanks and we’ll done to all involved, please keep this up

  17. 55 Peter Shearer
    August 19, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    I think we have to accept that all the reasonable attempts to get those responsible for destroying our wildlife to put their own house in order have failed. In that respect I support the actions of the Hunt Sabs. We know the deceit used by those responsible so we simply need to ensure we continue to fight a PR war to try and win the public over. Fear of upsetting people has meant some of our NGOs have failed to do their duty to defend our wildlife, so all help is welcomed by me. I trust the Hunt Sabs more than I trust those that they are protesting against, but they may need to be careful re the law, as DGS is still lawful and the authorities are not known for being strongly sympathetic to the Sabs. Ideally, things would not have come to this, but years of talking have got us nowhere.

  18. 56 Iain Gibson
    August 19, 2018 at 8:40 pm

    This item has obviously drawn a great deal of attention to the topic, which is an illustration that there is widespread sympathy for the hunt sabs, not to mention the plight of predators, and let’s not forget it, the grouse themselves! Of course sabs are angry, what’s wrong with that, but they are not violent, as the hunters would have us believe through their coordinated outbreak of lies. It is clearly in the hunters’ selfish interests to paint sabs as some sort of demonic hooligans, but in clear ethical terms it is the hunters and grouse shooters who are (so far) getting off with such unacceptable and loutish behaviour. I regard the entry of the hunt sabs as a welcome step in the right direction, to stand up to the bullies of the grouse shooting fraternity. Obviously from some of the above comments that is not acceptable to all RPUK contributors, but those who say there are better means to publicise the scandals instilled in grouse shooting would perhaps like to enlighten us to a better alternative, to get the message across to the wider public? The appearance of RPUK has contributed an astonishing amount of successful public awareness through scientific investigative journalism, and will hopefully signal the end of grouse shooting and other forms of recreational blood sports. However I hope that they too are pleased that direct action is finally taking place. Interesting times ahead, and if I were younger I’d be joining them!

  19. 57 Jimmy
    August 19, 2018 at 8:42 pm

    The grouse bothers have had this coming for a long time

  20. 58 George M
    August 19, 2018 at 9:53 pm

    64 years after the persecution of all raptors was made illegal they are still using every trick in the book to both kill and stop them nesting on their patch, thus contributing to the lack of success in increasing raptor numbers in the Uplands. Add to that their scuppering of joint initiatives and refusal to move on the issue of allowing all nests to be secretly filmed while hiring of some of the most expensive QC’s in the UK to stop obviously guilty perpetrators receiving justice makes me think that little is being achieved. All, on their side, is bluster with no substance. Their current PR campaign aimed to sanitise this “sport” speaks loudly in relation to this accusation.
    They, the DGM Lobby, are moving heaven and earth to persuade respectable bird wildlife organisation to engage once more in the same merry-go-round. If those concerned about the fate of raptors and the health of our Uplands accede to this plea for yet another talking shop and more joint initiatives, then the result will be, as always, the whole subject being kickerd into the long grass. They have offered nothing that would help rebuild the faith that their actions and behaviours has destroyed. They have weaponised gamkeepers on social media and continue to serve them half truths to troll pro-wildlife websites.
    Most folk accept that if their (DGM owners) employees were issued with the ultimatum that if they are caught in any way breaking wildlife laws they would be immediately sacked and have to pay their own legal fees raptor crime on grouse moors would halt with immediate effect. This would mean they would lose their house too so, if they receive the same money and benefits for not breaking the law, I am sure they would.
    Legal Mass trespass on grouse moors hits those who have the power to stop these crimes by restricting their income. After 64 years the “jaw jaw” must stop and action taken. It is in the DGM owners power to stop these crimes by taking these measures and thus showing good faith.
    Until they come out from behind their employees, face the facts, consent to immediate change, and take the necessary measures, then, given the long term failure of talking shops, I fully support any legal direct action that might be used to achieve our ends. Disrupting grouse shoots or any other legal activity which will impact on their businesses and their income while all the while keeping the widespread cruelty to animals and birds in the front of the public’s mind.

    • 59 Les Wallace
      August 19, 2018 at 10:08 pm

      Well said George!

    • 60 Coop
      August 19, 2018 at 11:21 pm

      Damn straight, George!

      As for those apologists for criminality who’ve commented here: Stuff your shoots, and stuff your “jobs”. You don’t deserve them, and you don’t deserve to be let loose in our countryside.

    • 61 JBNTS
      August 20, 2018 at 11:09 am

      George – I’m glad that you picked-up on the recent trolling of pro-wildlife websites. In the couple of weeks running up to the Inglorious Twelth there was a noticeable spike in attacks on the RSPB over predator control for species conservation purposes via Hunt Sab and similar social media pages. It smacked of orchestration and was clearly designed to divide the animal rights campaigners from the wildlife conservationists. It served the dual purpose of losing the RSPB a few members and it probably did the Hunt Sabs no favours either. The action by Hunt Sabs in DGM areas last week went a long way towards restoring my faith in them. Animal Rights protesters and wildlife conservationists have areas of common ground and it would be preferable to focus on them. We should avoid letting the divisive propaganda of the hunting lobby weaken popular campaigns to rid the UK environment of practices that harm wildlife and simultaneously inflict cruelty on sentient creatures.

  21. 62 Dougie
    August 19, 2018 at 11:46 pm

    I have become a tad confused as to what route is being followed to stop raptor/wildlife persecution (note that I said “route”) since the destination is clear, but the means of getting there is less so.
    I dislike all shooting and the thought of shooting birds and other wildlife sickens me. However, I do not believe that gives me the right to disrupt anyone engaged in a lawfull activity (grouse shoots are lawfull even if other illegalities take place on grouse moors).
    Peacefull protest is considered to be a right, but when that involves disrupting people who are acting within the law then that is highly questionable. Because years of following various peacefull means to obtain change have failed to bring about the desired outcome that does not justify resorting to forceful means.
    As far as I can establish, the RSPB is not anti shooting per se. I have read contributions from RSPB members who are not anti shooting, but oppose driven bird shoots (I think that Dave Dick expressed that view – my appologies if that is wrong).
    So, where does RP stand ? For or against shooting or one of those, but with qualifications.

    • 63 Iain Gibson
      August 20, 2018 at 1:26 am

      Dougie, the RSPB is not allowed to be anti-shooting, or criticise “legitimate field sports,” as dictated by their Royal Charter! Regarding your principle not to disrupt anyone taking part in a lawful activity, direct action is a longstanding way of campaigning against a moral injustice. Remember, bad laws (or lack of appropriate laws) can be changed through democratic procedures.

      • 64 SOG
        August 20, 2018 at 11:33 am

        I wonder if changing their Royal Charter is a legal nightmare. Or could it be supported by a crowdfund? Many of us no longer see any current reason for retaining ‘Royal’ in their title, if it’s a piece of history that restricts their freedom to act where they see the need.

        • August 20, 2018 at 12:25 pm

          It is more that the Government made it illegal for charities to be involved in lobbying for political change – and this could be perceived as such. Whereas their investigations team are looking into matters of fact of cruelty to birds, not opinion, so they are not affected.

          Actually, changing the charter is not that difficult, the RSPB changed their charter about 5 years ago,without reference to their membership, to encompass all wildlife and the environment, hence the “Nature’s Home” rebranding of Birds magaxzine. They perhaps should change their title to the Royal Society for the Protection of Biodiversity – but they would probably lose quite a few members, not to mention the benefits of over 100 years of branding / marketing.

    • 67 lizzybusy
      August 20, 2018 at 7:51 am

      Hi Dougie

      As others have said, direct action has contributed to the debate on major issues neglected by those in power – votes for women, hunting etc etc.

      You are both right and wrong about the law on trespass. It is a criminal offence to trespass in the open air in order to disrupt a lawful activity – Criminal Justice Act. It is not an offence, to trespass on land in order to prevent the continuance of a criminal activity.

  22. 68 Mike O Reilly
    August 20, 2018 at 9:28 am

    The shoot went out later on both moors so the left wing socialists wasted their time and money and achieved nothing

    • 69 Roberta Mouse
      August 20, 2018 at 9:37 am

      Not sure where you get the idea that sabs are left wing socialists…bit of lazy stereotyping there I would suggest ! In addition, since the aim is to disrupt then I fail to see how (in your opinion) they wasted their time or achieved nothing, when considerable inconvenience and disruption WAS caused. Nice try though !

    • 73 George M
      August 20, 2018 at 1:14 pm

      Nothing wrong with a bit of triumpalism Mike, it’s a long standing tradition. Note the day and organise a march for next year. I’m sure you’d benefit from the publicity.

    • 74 dave angel
      August 20, 2018 at 1:36 pm

      If I had paid good money for a day of driven grouse shooting I would be more than a bit miffed at having my day disrupted like this and would think twice about paying out again, given how easy it is to sabotage a driven shoot.

      This must be a very worrying development for those trying to run economically viable grouse moors.

      So well done to the sabs involved.

    • August 20, 2018 at 3:09 pm

      Funny you say that as we had people watching the whole time and all we saw were grumpy men in tweed going home.

  23. 76 Nadia Fox
    August 20, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    Great to know they are out & saving birds…I AM SURE I HAVE ASKED MORE THAN ONCE AND YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED..BUT WHERE IS YOU’RE DONATION DETAILS?? ..I wont be doing this again! The sabs are great at sabbing. But useless at letting folk know they have the donation & send out membership details….Its been 3months of worry.

    On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:51 Raptor Persecution UK, wrote:

    > RaptorPersecutionUK posted: “Yesterday, members of the Hunt Saboteurs > disrupted two grouse shoots in Yorkshire, one on the edge of the Yorkshire > Dales National Park and one inside the North York Moors National Park. > [Images from the Hunt Saboteurs facebook page] Here is” >


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