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Concerns about toxic lead ammunition “nonsense” according to Botham

A few weeks ago Ian Botham featured in an article published by The Times, in which it was reported Botham had accused the RSPB of being “dishonest” (see here).

The Times article was apparently based on an interview that Botham had done with the Shooting Gazette. Thanks to one of our blog readers, we now have a PDF copy of that Shooting Gazette interview:

Shooting Gazette Nov 17 Ian Botham Article

It’s well worth a read to find out Botham’s views on what changes he would make to the RSPB and how the You Forgot the Birds campaign will “never stop“.

But the question and answer we were most interested in was this:

Shooting Gazette question: Are there any issues about shooting in the UK that concern you?

Botham’s answer:One of the things that needs to be looked at is the nonsense about lead [ammunition]. It’s been blown totally out of proportion“.

Unfortunately, Botham doesn’t identify which part of the vast expanse of scientific evidence about the danger of toxic lead to humans, wildlife & the environment he thinks is “nonsense”.

Perhaps its the findings of this eminent group of international scientific professors and researchers?

Perhaps its the findings of this eminent group of international scientific researchers?

Perhaps its the findings of this eminent group of scientific researchers?

Perhaps its the findings of the international scientific experts who contributed to the Oxford Lead Symposium?

Perhaps its the findings of the Lead Ammunition Group?

Perhaps its the advice of the Food Standards Agency?

Perhaps its the guidelines of Fareshare?

Perhaps its the findings of the European Food Safety Authority?

Hmm. Should we believe the evidence of hundreds of scientific experts, including The Lord Krebs kt, MA, DPhil, FRS, FMedSci, Hon DSc, or should we believe the opinion of the King of Bollocks?

It’s a tricky one.

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32 Responses to “Concerns about toxic lead ammunition “nonsense” according to Botham”


  1. 1 Mo Richards
    November 13, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    Superb!, well put, you do have a way with words!

  2. 2 Neil Glenn
    November 13, 2017 at 4:31 pm

    He’s probably suffering from lead poisoning. Ian Botham: beefy of physique; feeble of mind.

    • 3 Doug Malpus
      November 14, 2017 at 9:31 pm

      Additionally, we have the “gormless expression” of the two characters in the photos above. “wha’ are we doin’ ‘ere?” “The gritty bits in the meat are quite chewy!” and prone to mindless ramblings devoid of sense.

      I spotted some beaters walking around a field on Sat afternoon and several people carrying guns, very close to a busy dual carriageway. In the area of Ince Blundell just north of Liverpool. No grouse there but plenty of “farm raised gun fodder”.

  3. 4 Keith Wheeler
    November 13, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    Never thought I would see a photo where two puppets were more intelligent than the human.
    Still all the worlds a rainbow 🌈.

  4. 5 Jonathan Wallace
    November 13, 2017 at 5:28 pm

    “In last year’s debate in Parliament [on whether grouse shooting should be banned] MPs voted overwhelmingly against these activists.” It was a Westminster Hall debate and there was no vote so how could they have voted overwhelmingly for or against? Another piece of Botham misinformation!

    • 6 Iain Gibson
      November 13, 2017 at 11:26 pm

      It is true to say that they dominated the argument, even though their evidence relied on so much bullshit and dishonesty, in opposition to the quality and veracity of scientific evidence put forward by the petitioners.

      • 7 Jonathan Wallace
        November 14, 2017 at 7:57 pm

        They turned up en masse and dominated proceedings, it’s true, because too few Labour MPs could be persuaded to attend. A vote in Parliament would have been quite a different matter and nothing can be meaningfully extrapolated from the Westminster Hall debate to the likely outcome of such a vote. Botham was uttering rubbish.

  5. November 13, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    Careful, I’m expecting Zippy & George to go for a restraining order any day now to stop you repeatedly publishing material that will damage their professional standing.

  6. 9 Chris Batchelor
    November 13, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    I see he thinks we’ve ‘gone underground’ since the ‘vote in Parliament’ (sic).
    You wish!

  7. 10 Homer Simpson
    November 13, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    I guess that’s why we still use leaded fuel, lead based paints, lead pipes etc etc.

    You forgot the brains, still going strong!

  8. 14 Edward Coles
    November 13, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    Recent Italian study suggests eating lead shot game doesn’t increase lead level in body!….just saying…

  9. 24 Paul Carver
    November 13, 2017 at 10:36 pm

    Perhaps he’s angling for Foreign Secretary?

  10. 25 Paul V Irving
    November 14, 2017 at 8:17 am

    Yes as usual he talked a load of utter crap, although it must be said I find fishing relaxing too. Shooting for the pot ! I rather doubt that but it would explain all the nonsense he spouts due to raised lead levels.
    One thing that struck me given the almost total absence in England of Peregrines on grouse moors and I doubt Scotland is any different where is the moor with five breeding pairs and are they successful?
    WE are always honest yet the dark side get away with utter unscientific tosh because they all seem so blinkered, there is this crap and the recent shite from GWCTs Andrew Gilruth about the Birdcrime report.

  11. 26 Mairi L
    November 14, 2017 at 9:59 am

    Ok, this advice is regarding geochemical lead in the ground, but lead is lead, I think, so why would NFU go to the trouble if there wasn’t a problem? https://www.nfuonline.com/assets/96516

    And this was interesting, though I’ve only read the abstract! http://nrl.northumbria.ac.uk/17004/

  12. 28 PTH
    November 14, 2017 at 10:56 am

    Hmmm, it’s a tricky one indeed, I’ll take answer One – the scientific experts please Bob.

  13. 29 Mark tyreman
    November 14, 2017 at 11:43 am

    Ian Botham what a PLANK.
    He clearly doesn’t know shit from clay.

  14. 31 Gerard
    November 15, 2017 at 9:42 am

    If Botham was xxxxx xxxx xxxxx, he would put his money where his mouth is and respond to my challenge to publicly eat 6 g of powdered lead or drink 6 mL of tetraethyl lead. If lead is harmless, prove it.

  15. 32 PJD
    November 15, 2017 at 10:36 am

    Perhaps Mr Botham ought to get himself tested for ingested lead. This might explain the nonsense he spouts


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